09.05.2017, 19:42
Greetings fellow teammates!
This review will be short...
I drove the first 100 km, I hope not the last)) Overall I’m happy with the car, not counting the “butts” with the dealer to replace the steering rack and sometimes the frame roof is held together. Nothing else bothered me and there weren’t even any errors. Planned T.O. and replacement of brake pads after a mileage of 90,000 km. For comfort, I switched to 17-radius wheels and added additional sound insulation. I drive on 98 gasoline, consumption is less than 10 l/100 km.
09.05.2017, 20:08
09.05.2017, 21:48
Wow, hundreds of thousands in a year!: icon_aaa: Can I ask what the average speed is? What is your activity related to that you have to run around like that?
As far as I remember, the owner is engaged in construction on the Black Sea coast and travels back and forth (Moscow-Black Sea).
10.05.2017, 00:16
Congratulations, welcome to the over 100 sect: icon_beer:
10.05.2017, 08:36
Ferz62, congratulations, I’m glad that the car doesn’t let you down. Have you done TO-0? Did you buy the consumables yourself or are they supplied by the dealer? How many thousand kilometers do you change the oil?
11.05.2017, 17:20
As far as I remember, the owner is engaged in construction on the Black Sea coast and travels back and forth (Moscow-Black Sea).
Yes exactly!
Congratulations, welcome to the sect of those over 100
Thank you very much!
Have you done TO-0? Did you buy the consumables yourself or are they supplied by the dealer? How many thousand kilometers do you change the oil?
TO-0 did. All consumables are available only from dealers, I change the oil for maintenance every 15,000 km.
11.05.2017, 19:32
11.05.2017, 20:03
Damn, a hundred thousand a year. It must be very difficult, so many hours on the road. Listen, it’s very interesting how many rubles in fines were incurred per 100 thousand kilometers??
I like the road, a kind of break from work))) I drive quickly, but without fanaticism... It’s at least 16 hours to Anapa, maximum 18 hours. There is a radar detector and a recorder with a camera database. Three or four fines of 500 rubles per month and those from portable tripods, all in the “ass”, I don’t have time to slow down))) I pay online at a discount.
11.05.2017, 20:56
11.05.2017, 22:15
How far do you plan to drive on the Optima?)
I don't know yet..
11.05.2017, 22:42
I don't know yet..
I'm waiting for the return of the "insignia"!)))
Taking into account the fact that I do not yet know about Opel’s plans to triumphantly return to Russian market, I think you can safely roll up to two hundred)
It’s interesting to watch the car in this particular interval (from 100 to 150-200)8-)
12.05.2017, 08:38
12.05.2017, 09:34
Ferz62, I’ll ask a painful (at least for me) question: with such mileage on the highway, what is the condition of the paintwork? Are there a lot of paint chips on the body, especially on the front? On the highway you can’t dodge all the pebbles, one way or another something flies at the car, and what flies in leaves scratches and chips deep to the metal. I don’t remember any of my cars (all German) having problems on this scale.
I agree with the question, in 10 thousand on the highway I have more chips than I had in 100 thousand on the Germans.
12.05.2017, 16:04
I agree with the question, in 10 thousand on the highway I have more chips than I had in 100 thousand on the Germans.
I specifically went and counted it)))) Clearly expressed in size 1-3mm. 9 pieces and getting closer to the nose... And if you look closely, there are a lot of small ones. The chrome around the radiator grille has generally become almost matte from sandblasting. Windshield It turned out to be quite strong, a lot of pebbles flew in, only after 94,000 km it couldn’t withstand the “bombing” and cracked (replaced under insurance) The front camera also couldn’t withstand it and cracked. Either from sand or moisture got into the crack, almost nothing is visible. The headlights are covered with film!
I have a “sporty” driving style; before overtaking, I press close)))) And the average speed on the highway is 160-170 km/h.
12.05.2017, 19:56
And the average speed on the highway is 160-170 km/h.
Probably still not average, but working....
13.05.2017, 10:34
Probably still not average, but working....
I wrote that on average I travel at a speed of 160-170 km/h.)))) And the average speed is more than 113 km/h. did not have! I didn’t accelerate more than 210 - it’s scary: facepalm:
20.06.2017, 00:25
I'll fit in too ;-)
In total I have:
9. Everything seems to be :-)
20.06.2017, 09:34
I'll fit in too ;-)
I don't live in Moscow. In 5 years I have accumulated hundreds of miles. Half the mileage good roads, half of those killed. I only went to the first maintenance, for 15 thousand. Then I stopped at official dealers :-)
In total I have:
1. Changing the engine oil and cabin filter every spring and autumn (I use Liqui-Moli AA 5-30)
2. Partial oil change in automatic transmission at 94,500 (I described everything in detail in the corresponding section)
3. I changed the right tie rod 2 times and the right link once. At about 50 thousand, the tip and traction, at 70 thousand, the tip for the second time (apparently, the first one was completely left-handed). I didn't take the original, of course.
4. After 4 years of operation and 80 thousand mileage, the battery charging light began to blink when driving. I drove for almost six months until I completely got tired of it. I replaced the generator brush assembly (RUB 1,500), the problem went away.
5. I changed the front pads 2 times. The rear ones are still original.
6. Air filter changed it 2 times.
7. Fuel filter I bought a non-original one, but it did not fit where the fuel pump fits. I had to go to collective farms to install it, but I didn’t. So I drive the old one, and the new one is in the trunk :-)
8. I replaced the windshield because I didn’t keep track of the chip (shared in the appropriate topic)
9. Everything seems to be :-)
Five years on JF????
20.06.2017, 14:34
Five years on JF????
TF, of course, but I don’t see much difference
20.06.2017, 15:17
TF, of course, but I don’t see much difference
Of course not, in principle both Priora and Kamaz are similar to JF
20.06.2017, 15:50
Of course not, in principle both Priora and Kamaz are similar to JF
:-) Tell me what is so revolutionary about the JF compared to the TF that in any way can affect the technical condition of the car after a mileage of 100 thousand km. other things being equal?
20.06.2017, 15:53
:-) Tell me what is so revolutionary about the JF compared to the TF that in any way can affect the technical condition of the car after a mileage of 100 thousand km. other things being equal?
“Sometimes it’s better to chew than to talk” (c) Stimorol
Different body (materials), completely different suspension front/rear, completely different steering, new engines except 2.0MPI. But the wheels are just as round as those of the TF.
20.06.2017, 15:55
the wheels are as round as those of the TF
Well, I'm upset...
And also: the cabin filter is stsuko unique!!!
20.06.2017, 16:01
also: the cabin filter is stsuko unique!!!
This is the most important difference))
20.06.2017, 16:09
completely different steering
Why then does the steering wheel bite like the TF?
20.06.2017, 16:09
You guys are weird)))
If my Optima covered one hundred square kilometers with minimal losses, then yours should not notice such a mileage at all))))
I would be happy if I were you!
20.06.2017, 16:11
Why then does the steering wheel bite like the TF?
I don’t, like many others. And if there are similar problems, then this does not indicate the same design.
20.06.2017, 16:21
then this does not speak of the same design.
But he talks about using the same components in the design...
20.06.2017, 16:35
But he talks about using the same components in the design...
He doesn’t say at all, because there were a couple of cases of the steering wheel biting on the GT, and there’s a completely new amplifier.
20.06.2017, 16:49
Different body (materials), completely different suspension front/rear, completely different steering, new engines except 2.0MPI. But the wheels are just as round as those of the TF.
Joker:-)
20.06.2017, 17:35
Joker:-)
But to my question: “How will this affect the technical condition of the car with a mileage of 100 thousand km?”, you never answered.
Your question was how ZhF differs from TF. I wrote to you that everyone) Accordingly, the mileage of nodes and individual elements will be completely different, but time will tell for the better or for the worse. Or do you think all cars are the same?!
20.06.2017, 22:14
Are all cars the same?!
but this is another srr...
20.06.2017, 22:29
but this is another srr...
Once a person believes that different cars do not differ in terms of operation, it was interesting to ask)
20.06.2017, 22:37
Your question was how ZhF differs from TF. I wrote to you that everyone) Accordingly, the mileage of nodes and individual elements will be completely different, but time will tell for the better or for the worse. Or do you think all cars are the same?!
My friend, along the way, like most visitors to such resources, you hear only yourself :-)
20.06.2017, 22:53
My friend, along the way, like most visitors to such resources, you hear only yourself :-)
Initially, I APPROVED and continue to assert that your car is not much different from mine, and those minor differences that you for some reason elevate to the rank of revolutionary will in no way affect the technical condition of both TF and JF after 100 thousand mileage with OTHERS EQUAL OPERATING CONDITIONS!
Special Fo You highlighted the main ideas of his posts so as not to waste time on chewing on basic things :-)
Hmmm)) You’re wrong, no one here is raising a rank. They explain something else, TF and ZhF are completely different cars in design, accordingly this will affect in terms of technical condition and up to 100 thousand and after 100 thousand, even under other equal operating conditions. But time will tell which side.
20.06.2017, 22:56
New srach =)
Damn, you seem to be celestials, owners of JoEf =))
20.06.2017, 23:01
20.06.2017, 23:01
I am tormented by vague doubts: if you replace the candy wrapper in the candy, the taste will change!
20.06.2017, 23:07
userswed, If you read the first post, the person writes about the first 100,000 km. mileage, and not after 100,000 km. No, you should have written in the appropriate topic, but here the person simply shared the mileage and what shortcomings there were during operation. Since no one else has driven it on this model (at least on the forum).
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I am tormented by vague doubts: if you replace the candy wrapper in the candy, the taste will change!
When there is nothing to say, any expression on the topic is mosking
20.06.2017, 23:12
20.06.2017, 23:15
userswed, What generation are you?
TF, 2012, CVVL
20.06.2017, 23:17
When there is nothing to say, any expression is on topic
what bothered you?)
20.06.2017, 23:17
TF, 2012, CVVL
Then I will share with you:
On the last Optima 2.4 Prestige (2011) with a mileage of 37,000, I changed the front stabilizers. Changed it to 90000 support bearings. At 130000 - left steering tip. The OD didn't reveal anything else...
Today the mileage is 137,000 km.
20.06.2017, 23:20
what bothered you?)
20.06.2017, 23:26
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20.06.2017, 23:43
Well, the Koreans haven’t created a new supercar! There are certainly no global changes there, no matter how persistently you write))
Before speaking, first learn the differences between TF and JF. And read carefully, I never said that JF is more reliable than TF. If for you the cars are structurally different, but the same in operation, then there is definitely no point in talking further.
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Well, you read it, then read it! Why these stupid messages addressed to me? No offense, of course)
Stupid messages when they say nothing to the point, in my case I said everything to the point))
20.06.2017, 23:45
Read carefully!! Nobody tells you about the reliability of this or that car.
Would you kindly let me go and study the differences?
20.06.2017, 23:47
Well, the Koreans haven’t created a new supercar! There are certainly no global changes there, no matter how persistently you write))
For a guy, a couple of modified levers and a couple of additional bushings in the suspension are already “structurally new car")) Don't waste time on things that don't make sense!
21.06.2017, 00:32
21.06.2017, 02:43
Sir, are we reading the topic written JF or are your letters also the same?
21.06.2017, 06:42
FCZ, True)) But now they will tell you “just think, a couple of levers have been changed in the front/rear (especially on MacPherson), a couple of bushings have been added, the shock absorbers have been changed, the attachment points are different, the steering is different, the engines are different” what’s wrong with that)) Yes, and although that the engines are the same, 2.0T-GDI is the same as 2.0MPI. Just think, they screwed on the turbine, changed the injection, block, head, intake/exhaust, but as 2.0 was, it remains the same. But with 2.4GDI it’s even simpler, they didn’t even screw on the turbine)) In general, it was not for nothing that they initially wrote in the PTS that TFa.g
21.06.2017, 09:30
I will support Boxer. Indeed, JF and TF are, in my opinion, different machines. More precisely not so. So all cars are essentially the same. But these are the ones different generations. Well, at least there was a crack here and the turbo appeared, and the direct intakes changed, and the suspension, and the steering, and the body, but what can I say, now the bodies have started to be riveted in different ways. Well, this is a different car from all sides. Well, maybe only the name and class of the car remained. Well, they’re similar too, but I can smell it for a long time: maybe they’ll start flying in ten years, but they’ll look the same))
And when I get into a topic called the First "hundredth"! JF 100,000 km, I’m interested in reading about JF. If I’m interested in the previous generation, then I’ll read about TF, where there are completely different problems, different problems, different questions.
I think that's what Boxer was trying to convey and you attacked him. If you follow the logic of the TF owners, then you need to combine all KIA into one forum and close the issue there. And by the way, it will be quite justified.
z.y. in my opinion, if JF is no less reliable than TF, then it will be very, very good....
I will support you. I drove two generations of TF, switched to JF, completely different cars in behavior and feel, and even in sound insulation. I found the general thing only in the nameplates. And JF is indicated in the title of the topic.
21.06.2017, 09:41
I found the general thing only in nameplates
Come on, what about pedals, and a rear-view mirror, and a tool case for a spare tire? *no*
21.06.2017, 10:32
Come on, what about pedals, and a rear-view mirror, and a tool case for a spare tire? *no*
The pencil case is different. The pedals are different too. The mirror is similar but not it
21.06.2017, 10:43
The pencil case is different. The pedals are different too. The mirror is similar but not it
but also reflects a.g
21.06.2017, 21:30
That's it, guys, I give up!
21.06.2017, 21:36
That's it, guys, I give up!
I am urgently selling the MB S320 in the 220 body of 2002 and at the same time the LC 100 of 2005 to add money and buy myself a JF in full mince))))
Are you bragging or what?)))) Why post?
21.06.2017, 21:37
That's it, guys, I give up!
I am urgently selling the MB S320 in the 220 body of 2002 and at the same time the LC 100 of 2005 to add money and buy myself a JF in full mince))))
Well, I finally got around to selling this old shit and buying myself a new modern car....
21.06.2017, 21:47
Well, I finally got around to selling this old shit and buying myself a new modern car....
Thank you, I laughed! :-)
21.06.2017, 21:59
That's it, guys, I give up!
I am urgently selling the MB S320 in the 220 body of 2002 and at the same time the LC 100 of 2005 to add money and buy myself a JF in full mince))))
That’s right, and you’ll write a report when you’ve rolled over a hundred.
21.06.2017, 22:03
That’s right, and you’ll write a report when you’ve rolled over a hundred.
Okay, just kidding, relax!
21.06.2017, 22:04
I’ll write, don’t doubt it, I’ve rolled up these hundreds, which you never dreamed of. You better go to bed, otherwise you’ll oversleep for work, and this is fraught))) How will you repay the loan for JF? ;-)
Okay, just kidding, relax!
Ahaha offended boy:sarcastic_hand:
21.06.2017, 22:06
22.06.2017, 01:16
That's it, guys, I give up!
I am urgently selling the MB S320 in the 220 body of 2002 and at the same time the LC 100 of 2005 to add money and buy myself a JF in full mince))))
This is already rubbish, I got rid of the lx470 a long time ago, let alone talk about the 220. Or will we now talk about excellent condition?
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I’ll write, don’t doubt it, I’ve rolled up these hundreds, which you never dreamed of. You better go to bed, otherwise you’ll oversleep for work, and this is fraught))) How will you repay the loan for JF? ;-)
Okay, just kidding, relax!
They don’t give you a loan, you have to waste your saliva.
22.06.2017, 09:58
That's it, guys, I give up!
I am urgently selling the MB S320 in the 220 body of 2002 and at the same time the LC 100 of 2005 to add money and buy myself a JF in full mince))))
You'll have to add too much))) You can't beat half of it with this rarity)) Or take the Kia RIO in the Comfort package))
08.07.2017, 17:37
"Oligarchs", damn it :-) And the same "experts" of cars)))) Don't worry, the car is normal! What's JF, what's TF!
Once again, after 100 thousand mileage, I skated another ten thousand on vacation. In different modes: autobahns, Polish roads, a bunch of unrealistically steep serpentines, including dirt ones, etc. The car did not disappoint! She's a girl, you have to love her! And watch constantly;-) And everything will be fine!!!
08.07.2017, 18:46
Oh how hot it is here)))
Not a big continuation, mileage is now 111,000 km. The pipe from the filter to the turbine broke... The dealer went to a meeting and installed it from the “donor”. They said to wait 4 weeks for a new one.
I tried to put non-original ones on the “front” brake pads... after several accelerations and sharp braking, I could barely stop the car (((it felt like the pedal had hit something, if it weren’t for the free shoulder, I would have broken the wood. When I changed it back to the original, not “original” all four pieces were different thickness. I won't experiment anymore.
08.07.2017, 18:51
08.07.2017, 19:08
08.07.2017, 20:14
I understand that now I will get a bunch of minuses, but my rules are simple:
1. Never buy a diesel engine, even a new one, let alone a used one!
2. Never interfere with the standard designs and settings of the ECU of the purchased car!
3. If you are not satisfied with the car, make money and buy a better one! Yes, I guess I’m breaking all your rules. The only thing I don’t like is used cars. As for the diesel, I don’t understand what kind of negative thing I have. My Mercedes diesel (I bought a new mileage of 380 thousand in 2.5 years) starts up with a bang -35 and the gasoline engines oil up.
08.07.2017, 20:40
Ferz62, What kind of pads were they?
I remember that there is a blue box and the letter Q
08.07.2017, 20:56
I remember that there is a blue box and the letter Q
Ahh I understand, although it’s strange, usually the brakes are good.
08.07.2017, 21:12
Yes, I guess I’m breaking all your rules. The only thing I don’t like is used cars. As for the diesel, I don’t understand what kind of negative thing I have. My Mercedes diesel (I bought a new mileage of 380 thousand in 2.5 years) starts up with a bang -35 and the gasoline engines oil up.
No negativity, just my rules!
By the way, your post was very reminiscent of a fragment from the video “Drinking in St. Petersburg” .... “Rublinstein twenty-four”)))))
08.07.2017, 21:18
Ahh I understand, although it’s strange, usually the brakes are good.
I was also told that they are good and made in Korea... But when they heat up they don’t slow down at all. If you only ride around the city))
09.07.2017, 01:48
I was also told that they are good and made in Korea... But when they heat up they don’t slow down at all. If you only ride around the city))
This Sangsin is the cheapest, they can't brake very well, often made in China. Good HP series. At least as good as the original.
09.07.2017, 10:26
No negativity, just my rules!
Apparently you made a mistake in the mileage :-) Perhaps you meant 38 thousand, not 380? :-)
By the way, your post was very reminiscent of a fragment from the video “Drinking in St. Petersburg” .... “Rublinstein twenty-four”)))))������No, friend, I was not mistaken 380 thousand working machine is running all over Russia Just for personal The most important rule for me is timely maintenance after 10 thousand, good oil and filter and attitude towards the car. All the cars that I sold (although the mileage was not small) not a single owner called and told me that I sold him a bad car.
16.07.2017, 18:45
In 95 I received a “recoil” 31029 with a mileage of 800 km, I didn’t go anywhere except for maintenance, nothing broke. A year later with a mileage of 35 thousand km. gave it away. Memories are only positive.
16.07.2017, 20:03
I understand that now I will get a bunch of minuses, but my rules are simple:
1. Never buy a diesel engine, even a new one, let alone a used one!
2. Never interfere with the standard designs and settings of the ECU of the purchased car!
3. If you are not satisfied with the car, make money and buy a better one!
I was surprised about diesel.
People with diesel engines make half a million miles without engine overhaul. Timely maintenance, high-quality fuel and no problems. It's time to get rid of incorrect stereotypes.
16.07.2017, 22:10
What diesel?!?! What TF?!? - what is the name of the topic?!?! http://s19.rimg.info/c5f5440e2d8b47ec4a89cdfe2f40d592.gif (http://smayliki.ru/smilie-1237669287.html)
16.07.2017, 22:16
So there are also JF diesel ones, you are our exciting one.
16.07.2017, 22:43
So JF are also diesel
Imagine - I taste everything! *POPCORN*
12.10.2017, 19:48
Hello again!
Maybe someone is interested) mileage today is 130,000 km. In the country, the crisis has become less widespread around the country...
The fuel pump blew up, at first I thought that something had fallen off in the muffler, the sound was similar to a clamp dangling on a pipe. On September 11, I went to the dealer and they ordered a replacement under warranty. They called today and invited me to replace you on Sunday! While I’m moving, within the city limits))
12.10.2017, 20:20
Ferz62,
Do you still change the oil every 15 thousand? Does the dealer say anything about this?
12.10.2017, 23:01
So I change it, only for maintenance.
12.10.2017, 23:06
How is the leather on your seat during this mileage? Are there many chips on the body?
12.10.2017, 23:47
So I change it, only for maintenance.
And what he should say is all according to regulations.
13.10.2017, 00:03
For turbos in the Russian Federation, an oil change is recommended at 7500/6 months
It's like a square blue sign with speed. It seems to be there, but you don’t need to do it))
Another question is that, as I understand it, now they no longer “recommend”, but oblige to change the oil on the turbine every 7500. But whether this applies to previous cars is not clear....
13.10.2017, 08:49
Passed the first hundred
old fart rofl
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Maybe someone is interested) mileage today is 130,000 km.
I’m stunned, well, I’m glad that the car has already covered at least a hundred miles
13.10.2017, 09:51
So I change it, only for maintenance.
And what he should say is all according to regulations.
https://www.kia.ru/service/download/pdf/17664236/
Replacement motor oil gasoline turbocharged engine with direct fuel injection (T-GDI) should be performed every 6 months or 7000~8000 km, whichever comes first.
This is the point that appeared.
13.10.2017, 15:03
13.10.2017, 16:42
This recommendation was turned into an imperative for a reason, but so that there was an extra reason to refuse a warranty on the engine. That's why I'm clarifying.
This recommendation has been turned into an imperative for purely technical reasons. The oil in a turbo engine does not last 15 thousand in city traffic jams. So doubling the replacement frequency is not a whim of dealers, but an objective necessity. For some reason they just missed this at first when they printed the service books. The omission has now been corrected.
Vyacheslav Martynov
18.10.2017, 15:36
How do people spend so little money? The majority is disingenuous. My average consumption is at least 13 liters per hundred, and when muffling it shows from 16 to 18
18.10.2017, 15:45
How do people spend so little money?
Elementary. If you are going on a long drive on the highway and cruising at a speed not exceeding 110 km/h, you can get 7.4 l/100 km on the tidy
And in the city, if you are very gentle with the gas pedal and barely drive, you can make 11 liters, if you drive in normal mode with a flow rate of 13-14, it will work out.
I will never trust anyone in the city for anything less.
18.10.2017, 15:50
MAXSPB69, In the morning to go to work (35 km around the city), there are few traffic lights. The speed is maximum 80-100 and the pedal operates smoothly (in order to go with the maximum flow, you have to turn the engine to 2000-2100 rpm). Upon arrival at work, the BC shows 6.7-7.0 liters when turned off)
22.12.2017, 13:17
Hello teammates!
22.12.2017, 13:22
And they immediately offered me a 2018 Sorento_Prime, 7 seats, full set with brown interior, diesel at a price of 2,700,000 rubles.
Nice machine. But I would take the ’17 at a good discount) As far as I understand, the ’18 Sorento will undergo a slight restyling, but the price tag will be higher.
22.12.2017, 13:27
Nice machine. But I would take the ’17 at a good discount) As far as I understand, the ’18 Sorento will undergo a slight restyling, but the price tag will be higher.
The photo shows a restyling!
22.12.2017, 13:28
The photo shows a restyling!
Where, is it like 17?)) Yesterday I was at TO 0 and talked about it with the manager. He explained that restyling is expected in 2018.
22.12.2017, 13:31
Yesterday I was at TO 0 and talked about it with the manager. He explained that restyling is expected in 2018.
You both have some incorrect information! *POPCORN*
What’s in the photo, as you were correctly told above, is called the 2018 Sorento Prime!
22.12.2017, 13:40
Andruha13, Andryukh, this is a Sorento 18 model year) That is, a restyle) I would buy this Sorento, but only a 5-seater)
22.12.2017, 13:49
Vyacheslav 48, Boxer, it means I was misled) I imagined that the 2018 model range would appear in 18, not 17))
22.12.2017, 14:01
22.12.2017, 14:13
I want gasoline 3.5!
If you don’t care about the consumption, then yes) But honestly, I don’t understand what the joke was in removing the 3.3 and developing a new 3.5 with the same distributed injection)
22.12.2017, 14:41
If you don’t care about the consumption, then yes) But honestly, I don’t understand what the joke was in removing the 3.3 and developing a new 3.5 with the same distributed injection)
22.12.2017, 14:47
Ferz62, I agree)) You have to pay for everything)
22.12.2017, 16:34
Hello teammates!
To date, the mileage has exceeded 140,000 km. The warranty is ending soon, the car hasn’t caused any trouble at all and has never let us down, consumption according to the computer is 10.7 -10.8. AI-98. The question became what to take as a replacement?! Either the same one or wait for the stinger. I went to the dealer to ask when there would be new items.... And they immediately offered me a 2018 Sorento_Prime, 7 seats, fully equipped with a brown interior, diesel at a price of 2,700,000 rubles. The cars are already in stock, but they haven’t said when it will be possible to buy them)) They showed them live.
They say that the Stinger is expected in February and the price will be the same as d4013640137zhinesis-80.
Why do you need a Sorento? As far as I know, your mileage is mainly on the highway, it seems to me better to wait for the Stinger :)
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They say that the average consumption will be 10-11 liters of AI-95. So in real life it's 14-15. this is approximately 570 rubles per 100 km. Now I have a consumption of almost 11 liters of AI-98, which is approximately 520 rubles per 100 km. With my mileage, it’s about 50,000 rubles a year.))) Almost paying for a comprehensive insurance policy. But damn I like it when the car drives!!!
What 50,000 rubles a year?!: wacko:
22.12.2017, 17:23
The consumption will be around 12, since they put 8 on it step box Aisin, as in Mojave. It works well and you will hardly notice any failures. I rode one in Seoul, the car is quite peppy and drives smoothly. Changes have also been made to the all-wheel drive clutch; now it redistributes torque faster, thereby allowing stable driving in mud or snow. Although the car was and remains purely for asphalt.
22.12.2017, 19:14
they put an 8-speed Aisin gearbox on it
It has its own 8-mortar, like everything else model range KIA.
23.12.2017, 10:35
And I also thought how familiar the landscape in the photos is))
So we saw each other in Podolsk, there are only three white cars here, including mine.
25.12.2017, 17:49
Maybe I’m missing something, but the new Sorento will only be delivered in February next year.
"Sales of the updated Kia Sorento Prime will begin in Russia in February, reports the Russian press office of the brand. The car, as before, will be offered with a choice of three engines: petrol 2.4 GDI (188 hp) and 3.5 MPI (249 hp) and diesel GDI (200 hp). Top gasoline engine and the diesel engine is equipped with an eight-speed automatic transmission, and the 2.4-liter unit is equipped with a six-speed automatic transmission."
Here is the proof: http://auto.vesti.ru/news/show/news_id/685782/
25.12.2017, 18:18
25.12.2017, 20:45
Andruha13, Andrey, some ODs already have the cars, but sales will begin next year) The same situation happened with the Optima, they brought the cars before the presentation, but they couldn’t sell them)
You can look and touch, but you can’t buy8-)
25.12.2017, 21:55
You can look and touch, but you can’t buy8-)
25.12.2017, 23:00
26.12.2017, 10:38
After the Optima, the Sorento is a rattling trolleybus, it feels like driving))) but like any other big cross, except for the premium Germans and Japanese.
Yeah, tell me about the Germans.)))
"The greatest disappointment among car owners who took part in the survey was caused by Mercedes-Benz GLA. Among the main problems, experts note a stiff suspension, poor transmission performance, as well as unsatisfactory sound insulation, all coupled with high cost."
26.12.2017, 17:17
Skeleton78, well, despite this, the feeling of a trolley bus is absent in Lehus, Infiniti, Mercedes, and Audis. Therefore, I won’t take Sorento in the medium term.
25.02.2018, 23:06
My warranty has expired...
Completed 150,000 km maintenance. Everything is fine with the car, it doesn’t “eat” oil, it drives briskly, doesn’t rattle or squeak (except for the driver’s seat).
I asked to look at the car carefully, the recommendation said that the drive belt needed to be replaced and that’s all... So the car is quite reliable!
Pavel Bely
25.02.2018, 23:35
26.02.2018, 00:14
Ferz62, Sergey, are you going to change your car?
Oh... I don't know yet. I was waiting for the stinger, but live except appearance I didn’t like anything (maybe I’m too old for him). I'll wait until the Sorento 3.5 petrol is tested. And then I’ll start thinking.
Pavel Bely
26.02.2018, 00:25
Oh... I don't know yet. I was waiting for a Stinger, but I didn’t like anything in real life except for the appearance (maybe I’m too old for it). I'll wait until the Sorento 3.5 petrol is tested. And then I’ll start thinking.
On Thursday I tested Prime with a 2.2 diesel engine, 200 mares. Not mine at all. The interior is the same size as the Optima, the trunk is small due to two additional seats, and the panorama is in the head. No, not mine...
26.02.2018, 09:35
I'll wait until the Sorento 3.5 petrol is tested
The panorama hits your head
Pavel Bely
26.02.2018, 10:01
With your mileage, diesel is just right...
Is there a panorama on all trim levels?
Panorama on PREMIUM and GT-Line trim levels.
26.02.2018, 10:04
With your mileage, diesel is just right...
Is there a panorama on all trim levels?
I don’t want a diesel engine, I mostly overtake on the highway at a speed of 120-160 km. And diesel in this range is no longer so peppy. And the savings won’t be big, good diesel fuel won’t cheaper than gasoline There will be maintenance more often on a diesel engine. Something like this!
26.02.2018, 10:10
mostly overtaking on the highway at a speed of 120-160 km. And diesel in this range is no longer so peppy.
Chipovka to the same horses as 3.5 gasoline. The moment is twice as high...
Good diesel fuel will not be cheaper than gasoline
But gasoline burns up to 3.5L x3 from diesel...
28.02.2018, 12:43
Chipovka to the same horses as 3.5 gasoline. The moment is twice as high...
I also found out about this, chipping only involves removing the “brains” and this is already a loss of warranty.
03.03.2018, 23:20
Thanks for the story about the car with 150 thousand mileage. When buying the JF, I was worried whether this car would be as reliable as the TF? From your posts I understand that I was not mistaken in my choice. Driving style is almost the same as yours. And mostly the track. From 2010 to 2014 I drove a Cerato, passed it with a mileage of 280,000. From 2014 to 2018 on a TF, passed it with a mileage of 263,500. Very pleased with the cars. I hope JF won't let you down)))
09.03.2018, 22:47
09.03.2018, 23:08
200 km runs a day? Very solid)
Nope...
Sometimes even 1,500km a day!))
12.03.2018, 08:49
Yesterday was a small anniversary)
01.05.2018, 18:31
Probably jinxed it)))))
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01.05.2018, 18:53
I don't know what to call it
This is what they call modern cars (not just Kia, of course) made from shit, sticks and vacuum hoses...
01.05.2018, 19:08
what modern cars (not just Kia of course) make out of shit, sticks and vacuum hoses...
Yes, what a mileage, for such a distance and the canopy will already turn into poop
01.05.2018, 20:41
Ferz62, my generator bearing (on a Skoda) was humming for 15k until I changed it, I was still waiting for it to start rumbling. Never started. And the pump on the vase blew out the radiator without a single squeak. So these are all fairy tales. And the rollers are usually replaced with belts.
01.05.2018, 21:26
Probably jinxed it)))))
I changed the drive belts and after a couple of thousand km the tensioner pulley “scattered”, there were no prerequisites.... it didn’t hum or whistle. It just burst like plastic. Naturally, both new belts broke and wound around the drive (I got there by tow truck).
We replaced the tensioner assembly with the roller and belts. Everything is fine, I drove off happy... After about 10 minutes it started to trip and twitch, I went back to the service center, there were no errors and the check was not lit. To begin with, we turned out the spark plugs and found this (photo attached). I don’t know what to call it, but if this insulator had cracked, I think that I would have ended up with at least a complete overhaul of the engine.
4217142172
What kind of candles are these? And how long did they last for you?
01.05.2018, 22:03
What kind of candles are these? And how long did they last for you?
The "original" spark plugs lasted a little over 40 thousand km. The first ones were changed at 110,000 km.
02.05.2018, 00:30
I don’t know what to call it, but if this insulator had cracked, I think that I would have ended up with at least a complete overhaul of the engine.
4217142172wouldn't have hit it. How many times has it happened, they just fly out or get crushed.
27.05.2018, 18:25
That's all...
27.05.2018, 18:49
That's all...
Mileage 160,000 km. Troubled, the “engine overheating” indicator came on
We took it to the dealer and added two liters of antifreeze. There are no leaks anywhere, the spark plugs are out, there is antifreeze in the third cylinder(((.
Tomorrow they will take it apart and tell you what the problem is.
p.s. The Koreans' warranty is calculated correctly))))
If I remember correctly, your mileage is mainly highway, in traffic jam mode the engine would run out much earlier, I wonder what the problem is, please write back as soon as it turns out.
27.05.2018, 20:31
Ferz62, but it was impossible to unscrew it at 149000? :)
27.05.2018, 21:04
That's all...
Mileage 160,000 km. Troubled, the “engine overheating” indicator came on
We took it to the dealer and added two liters of antifreeze. There are no leaks anywhere, the spark plugs are out, there is antifreeze in the third cylinder(((.
Tomorrow they will take it apart and tell you what the problem is.
p.s. The Koreans' warranty is calculated correctly))))
Apparently the gasket was broken. Nothing, the gasket will be changed, the head will be polished and ok. And after 30,000 thousand there will be a complete overhaul....
27.05.2018, 22:15
This is what they call modern cars (not just Kia, of course) made from shit, sticks and vacuum hoses...
Nah, bone, this means that today FSE manufacturers make only for the warranty period!!!
The Koreans' warranty is calculated correctly))))
It was they who all learned how to count, both by cars and by household appliances!!!(((
And you don’t need to give me examples right away..."it’s served me for 20 years..." Yes, there are exceptions, but basically they just pull out the guarantee, and then give me money again... (((
27.05.2018, 22:33
Valerun, you can’t calculate it that way... on different machines different conditions operation... highway mileage is one of the most gentle....
there is also an oil change every 15,000... it would be necessary more often, although again, for highway runs this is 150-200 engine hours, which is the norm...
27.05.2018, 22:42
I wonder how the Kia will behave. frostbite is no longer a guarantee. or maybe, like the Germans, they have some type of post-warranty customer support (ala kulantz)?
27.05.2018, 23:01
you can't really count it that way
Lesh, of course there are no such exact calculations, but how many things today only survive until the end of the warranty!!!
Back in 1992, I read a magazine (and I was choosing a VCR back then), where all the manufacturers met and discussed and agreed that there was no point in releasing such monsters as the Panasonic SD20, which has been around for more than 20 years and can still be used to hammer nails, and the moral wear and tear comes faster than physical wear, so we will produce products for 3-5 years!!! That's all!!!
Well, as far as the video is concerned, that’s what happened... the SD went and that’s it, but now the SD is no longer needed...., although with cars I wouldn’t really want that... it carries and carries... let it work!! ! Still, the price is not the same!!! Here we are - PRICE!!! Therefore, we should simply receive normal money for our work, and pensioners should receive a normal pension...... and all issues should be resolved themselves!!!
Sorry for the offtopic... it slipped out)))
27.05.2018, 23:45
Lesh, of course there are no such exact calculations, but how many things today only survive until the end of the warranty!!!
Well, why, almost every manufacturer has now acquired parameterization specialists. Their task is to make such changes to the design that the unit is guaranteed to fail after the end of the warranty period. Moreover, this must be done very carefully, without harming the manufacturer’s reputation.
The situation is so serious that at the beginning of 2018, a bill was introduced to the State Duma to counter planned obsolescence.
28.05.2018, 11:40
That's all...
Mileage 160,000 km. Troubled, the “engine overheating” indicator came on
We took it to the dealer and added two liters of antifreeze. There are no leaks anywhere, the spark plugs are out, there is antifreeze in the third cylinder(((.
Tomorrow they will take it apart and tell you what the problem is.
p.s. The Koreans' warranty is calculated correctly))))
Here are the first statistics..php?t=4264&page=246 please later
28.05.2018, 12:22
That's all...
Mileage 160,000 km. Troubled, the “engine overheating” indicator came on
We took it to the dealer and added two liters of antifreeze. There are no leaks anywhere, the spark plugs are out, there is antifreeze in the third cylinder(((.
Tomorrow they will take it apart and tell you what the problem is.
p.s. The Koreans' warranty is calculated correctly))))
Oh hell yeah(((
Sergey, good luck to you!
Let me know what happens in the end...
28.05.2018, 15:42
Aquila, is this banter about the law?)
28.05.2018, 16:10
Aquila, is this banter about the law?)
No, really... this is a response to the scandal with Apple and the deliberate slowdown of older models
28.05.2018, 22:50
28.05.2018, 23:06
The worst was confirmed, there was a crack in the block...
register.. 160tkm on highway runs. nothing foreshadowed, as I understand it?
Maxim Alexandrovich
28.05.2018, 23:10
There is strife on the track. The cooling may not be designed for high speeds. I do not know. It's scary to become shorter somehow. Sorry. Even if you put it in a stall and don’t ride it. What are the prospects?
Added
If you have a comprehensive insurance, it might be cheaper....
28.05.2018, 23:11
register.. 160tkm on highway runs. nothing foreshadowed, as I understand it?
Nothing was foreshadowed...
One good thing is that the dealer promised to help with the repairs.
How can a regular customer repair a 50×50.))
28.05.2018, 23:17
28.05.2018, 23:31
Ferz62, Didn’t they say approximately the price taking into account the 50% discount?
The price of a new short block is about 350,000 rubles. If the head is also repaired with everything that is required (valves, bushings, caps) - it will be practically new motor. With the old hinged one, of course. But I’m afraid even with 50x50 you won’t be able to reach 150,000.
28.05.2018, 23:34
The price of a new short block is about 350,000 rubles. If the head is also repaired with everything that is required (valves, bushings, caps) - you will have practically a new motor. With the old hinged one, of course. But I’m afraid even with 50x50 you won’t be able to reach 150,000.
It's sad of course...
28.05.2018, 23:35
The worst was confirmed, there was a crack in the block...
It is not entirely clear in what place the aluminum block must crack so that antifreeze from the water jacket begins to penetrate through cast iron sleeve into the third cylinder. Could there be a crack in the liner? Or in your head somewhere? If there is a crack in the block, it may leak out, maybe into the pan with oil, but into the cylinder - somehow it is doubtful. Are you sure it's not a scam?
29.05.2018, 07:51
Maybe I didn't put it that way.
Yesterday evening we removed the head, there is a crack in the liner where the partition between the cylinders is. (I can’t post a photo, the site offers confirmation on the site) I don’t know what this is!?
Regarding repairs: representatives of the dealer said that they would try to help as much as possible. Either replacing a 50x50 block, or replacing a 30x30x30 engine... But as I understand it, this will be decided through higher authorities!
29.05.2018, 08:28
30x30x30...
And who will be the third?
29.05.2018, 08:47
And who will be the third?
"Kia Motors", Official dealer and me!
They said that such a proposal might work! In any case, in my version, all that remains is to wait for information.
29.05.2018, 09:10
29.05.2018, 09:12
what does the dealer say? Is this a common problem on Optima?
That's exactly what they answered)))
29.05.2018, 09:17
Well, that’s exactly what they answered)))
Well, unofficially they can share information)))
29.05.2018, 09:24
what does the dealer say? Is this a common problem on Optima?
Are there many GT JFs with mileage over 150,000? I think there are only a few of them. Statistics - zero. Nobody can say anything - there is nothing to say.
A cracked cartridge case is still the result of a hidden manufacturing defect, which did not appear immediately. They pressed it in with a little more tension than necessary - and it cracked after a year or two. Or it contained a cavity or shell inside. I think it’s impossible to program this when designing, it’s just the opposite of “luck”.
29.05.2018, 09:25
well, unofficially they can share information)))
The mechanic I talk to said, in his practice, this is the second Optima with such mileage and such breakdowns. The previous one was with a 2.4 engine, four years old and also immediately after the warranty mileage. And there was also something like Ceed.
29.05.2018, 09:29
29.05.2018, 10:39
Well, I think, adjusted for the number of sales, we optimize that it’s probably a factory defect. Nowadays they are sold in packs, a number of cars run in taxis.
In a year or two it will be clear... even taking into account taxis, you can’t cover 150 tons of km in a year, it’s realistic in two.
29.05.2018, 10:54
Ferz62 you can upload photos, for example here https://radikal.ru/ and give a link on the forum.
29.05.2018, 11:10
https://a.radikal.ru/a17/1805/58/5ca5c5bdc950.jpg
Thank you!
29.05.2018, 12:37
Ferz62, You can see everything perfectly. Yes, the sleeve was cracked. She's tired. Marriage, of course, but in slow motion.
29.05.2018, 13:40
29.05.2018, 14:12
Too slow. Probably, we should have actually unscrewed the mileage on the board, we don’t have a VAG or a Beemve... And don’t decide the issue of 50x50 or 30-30-30...
The fact is that I have already done maintenance with a mileage of 160 thousand km. And there is a mark(((
29.05.2018, 14:18
The fact is that I have already done maintenance with a mileage of 160 thousand km. And there is a mark(((
Do you have any more photos? How is the condition of the cylinder head at 160tkm?
29.05.2018, 14:21
Do you have any more photos? How is the condition of the cylinder head at 160tkm?
There are no more photos.
They just removed the head and that’s it, they’re waiting for a decision from above. They say that the condition is very good!
29.05.2018, 14:22
Well, you definitely won’t see any bullies there! :) However, I have never heard of them in 2.0Turbo. This is not their disease.
And what will the CPG be made for some 160t. km. route mileage. It would have receded just as long if not for the crack.
29.05.2018, 14:28
I called my friends in Belarus, their company supplies Korean spare parts.
They say that I am not the first who wants to order a complete engine. $4,300 and in three days it’s mine)) According to their statistics, these turbo engines don’t last more than 200 thousand km.
29.05.2018, 14:32
According to their statistics
Maybe they have statistics, why do most of these engines run out by 200,000? It would be interesting to know.
And are we talking about a complete motor (assembled block + head) or a short block (block with elbow and pistons)?
There are some tricky cars! Our Largus sensed the approach of the biggest maintenance in his life and asked for it a little ahead of schedule, breaking the second support of the exhaust gas system. This kind of malfunction has already happened, but on a different support. The exhaust system appears to be weakness all logan-shaped ones - the pipes and “cans” of the mufflers are still intact, but the brackets are rotting away one by one. So, the rattling sound from under the bottom forced us to go to our technical center. And although the mileage of the editorial Largus was a little short of 120 thousand kilometers, I decided to carry out all the planned work.
I believe that a car living in a metropolis should go for maintenance more often than once every 15,000 km. Moreover, under my management Largus began to spend more time in the city. Sometimes we have to break through dense traffic jams when the average speed drops to 15 km/h and fuel consumption exceeds 13 l/100 km. Moreover, the runs are short - 10-12 kilometers one way and back. And only three not very long business trips indirectly confirmed that the car is in good working order and consumes 6.5 l/100 km on the highway.
One of the most the right ways When calculating the life of engine oil, I consider the assessment of the deterioration of its qualities depending on the duration of engine operation. I'm going to install an hour meter on my car in order to more accurately track this interesting parameter. According to my estimates, the engine has worked for about 350 hours since the last maintenance. A scientific literature recommends changing the oil after 250-300 hours of operation, and in normal, not heavy, conditions. Well, I’ll try to compare theory with practice in the near future - I’ll report on the results next time.
Among the most expensive operations during this maintenance is replacing belts. Discussions among car enthusiasts about the service life of timing belts do not subside. Many insist on intervention at 60 thousand kilometers, citing, for example, Nissan’s recommendations for similar K4M engines installed in Almere. However, the instructions for Largus say every 120 thousand kilometers. We obediently followed it, and, as it turned out, not in vain - the dismantled belt did not show any signs. There is no burning of the outer surface, no undercutting of teeth. However, a weak point in the timing drive was still discovered - these are the rollers (). The tension one is still working, but the bypass one makes a sound when rotating, indicating that the lubricant has dried out. It's correct that in original set The belt includes both rollers.
The main culprits of the “triumph” are drive belt and a timing belt with related elements.
Another pressing question is whether to change along with timing belt? Inspecting the pump when the engine is cramped in the engine compartment is difficult, and the beginning of its destruction can be missed. If you don’t replace the pump now, it will have to work up to 240 thousand kilometers. Risky! So I decided to change. Naturally, I updated the antifreeze to maintain good heat exchange between the cooling radiators and heater. At the same time I inspected the distribution seals and crankshafts, the leakage of which can lead to oiling of the belt - go through the same amount!
Folk method I rejected the installation of the belt, when marks are applied to the shafts and are oriented according to them. But I also consider the proprietary method - with fixation of three shafts - too complicated. I settled on fixing the camshafts with a plate cut from a suitable piece of five-millimeter duralumin, and simply marked the position of the crankshaft. I recommend this method to anyone who wants to change the belt themselves.
Updating the spark plugs once again confirmed that keeping the wells clean requires an eye and an eye. Before removing old spark plugs, clean the wells with a vacuum cleaner with a narrow tube. After removing the spark plugs, vacuum again. seats and, having applied a little dry graphite to the threads, screw in the new spark plugs with the required torque.
The idle speed regulator is overgrown with a thick layer of carbon deposits.
The car's idle speed regulator served for about 100 thousand kilometers without complaints. And then it began to malfunction: it did not always accurately dose the air supply to Idling, which led to floating revolutions. I had to remove it and thoroughly rinse it with carburetor cleaning fluid - the defect went away. But, as if offended by the interference, the lamp flashed Check Engine. This did not affect the operation of the engine in any way, so I extinguished the teasing symbol using a primitive ELM 327 scanner. The lamp did not light up again. By the way, I strongly advise all car enthusiasts who do repairs to master this inexpensive and simple device.
Inspection of the chassis, brake system and steering only confirmed the legendary reliability of cars built on the B0 platform. Only the front pads needed replacement. The brake discs, of course, are a little thin, but they will survive until the next pad castling.
Peeling of paint along with anti-gravel coating. But the threshold does not rust!
Few people remember this, but at every maintenance it is necessary to inspect the body for damage. paint coating. Apart from some small and unbroken stone chips, everything is fine. But what is surprising is the peeling off of a large piece of paint along with the standard anti-gravel coating in the rear of the right sill. And this is the place that neither the jack nor the lift arm touched. Perhaps the culprit is “sandblasting” from front wheel. And there is no such thing on the other side.
I've always had a good attitude towards Logan-shaped cars. And after almost a year of working together, I became very attached to Largus the hard worker. Take care of yourself, friend, and I will take care of you.
A. Revin, Behind the Wheel
Friends, good afternoon. Almost from the very beginning of the creation of my channel, under every review they constantly write to me that give me a review of the basin, give me a review of the four, the fifteen, the Kalina, the Priora, anything that VAZ produces here.
But I didn’t film this because, well, damn, what’s there to tell, what can I say that’s new, besides what Zhorik Revazov and all the other bloggers who are now popular said.
Everyone, one way or another, has said something about Vases, and you can’t really say anything new here.
But, but, today there will still be a video about Kalina 2 and the trick is that this car is 14 years old, its mileage is currently 105,000 kilometers and today we will figure out what happened to it for this time and what it looks like in general.
Is it worth buying, and what will happen to it next?
Let's immediately decide that, no matter how good life is, they don't buy Kalina. Because, well, they cost about 300,000 rubles, that’s the market for them, yes, in 1914 they cost that much.
This car was bought for 269,000, it's cheap. That is, in fact, why they bought it for her. Buy for resale here guys. But in general, in general, in the $300 category, what can we buy?
We can buy either Kalina, or Logan, or any Hyundai Gets, or Hyundai Accent. Well approximately. I didn’t really consider the old Japanese there, because like the old Germans, there are still a lot of issues with the problems with engines, gearboxes, large spare parts, everything very much depends on the condition.
And what is more or less predictable, that you can ride for 300, it will be something like this list. And Kalina will be the youngest of them, that is, if there are accents, getz and so on, so on, she will be ten years old there, seven years old there, in such a corridor, then here the car is 3 years old.
You could say the car is practically new, fully serviced at the dealer there, but just out of warranty. That is, right here is the juice, what you need to buy on the secondary market.
And despite the fact that my first car was a VAZ, my first car was my dad’s fifteen.
Like any normal dude at university. Again, all his friends, all his classmates also have nines, fours, fives and sevens, everything is VAZ, it’s just a whole culture.
We were constantly in the garages fixing everything, doing something, and so on. Well, in general, a standard student theme. But that’s why I never really strongly advised buying used vases.
Only when there’s already money there, like 100, 110, 150 with such a budget, yes, without any options I bought a four and drive.
Here, when it’s already a budget, about 300, I still pay more to at least try to look for something foreign.
Body
Well, the gaps haven’t gone away, yes, we have a finger that fits here, it doesn’t fit into the hood on this side. That is, the car is not damaged, it is completely in its original paint, it is completely, well, everything here is original, nothing was removed, nothing was damaged.
We only have a dent there, it’s not big on that side, well, that’s okay. Well, they didn’t touch the hood, but still, yes, the gaps are different.
But look, this car lived in St. Petersburg for 3 years. Three winters in St. Petersburg, yes, another three years of just a full cycle in St. Petersburg, this is about the same as 20 winters in Barnaul, and about a hundred years in Sochi, well, precisely in terms of how the car will rot there, wear out there, and so on. And, we have virtually no rust here.
ABOUT! Box, box, box from the fifteenth. But the only thing here is that it’s a cable drive, which at least allows you to somehow get under the transmission somewhere. Well, by the way, it's blown up right now.
Firstly, magic, we have wi-fi, Bluetooth and all that, everything works. In short, our trunk lid is a little rusty, but this is a normal story. That is, there are drain holes here, this is the case, there is always water here, it gets clogged everywhere, and so on, so on.
But, in fact, what’s strange is the arches, the bottom, the sills, this whole story, everything is just perfect, there’s really no laughing. Even where there are chips and some small scratches, this thing does not rust at all. That is, that’s all, just here.
Well, accordingly, this bar itself, a plastic thing, as you know, is also a standard story on Focus. And there are a lot of things in general, on the Japanese there are also a lot of places where there is this plastic thing, it constantly rubs here and the body rusts.
Here, too, everything is still rusty, and for 3 years in St. Petersburg this is not enough.
The steering wheel is terrible. This electronic amplifier steering wheel, just damn darkness in general. It’s not that it’s not informative, it’s completely incomprehensible. Well, that is, he has efforts, it is - that is, it is not there, in some turn it is, somehow.
Well, that is, it is sometimes weak, sometimes complex, sometimes strong, that is, in general it is some kind of fierce crap. There is no feeling at all, well, that is, not roads, nothing at all, just darkness in general, you don’t understand - it’s screwed on, not screwed on.
Now, in general, this is terrible bullshit. Seriously. That is, if you just take the whole plus or minus B class, there are all sorts of Logans, Solaris and all sorts of other things,
Yes, they are more expensive again, but at least you feel something while driving. Here, like, this is generally something very strange.
Where else will you see such cool rubber bands? And also, you know, like it used to be on bicycles or somewhere else, the bags were rolled up, this kind of colored rubber thing with hooks, also a rubber band like that, which they wrapped around everything, linked it together and it wouldn’t go anywhere.
That's where it came from. But AvtoVAZ, specifically, in the body, compared to all other cars, has a very big advantage that, let’s say, we have such a dent, yes, and it doesn’t seem to be terrible, it seems like nothing like that happened, but the funny thing is that it can't be done.
You can't do it with your mind. It’s not even possible to cover it with putty, because here we already have, well, it all bent so much on its own on the stiffening ribs that it’s impossible to make it any shorter. This is just a replacement of an element, and that's the joke.
Painting in Moscow specifically, yes, painting one body element costs somewhere between 7 and 10,000 rubles. with the material, with all the bullshit. Here the door is painted, from the factory in the factory color 10,000 rubles.
Yes, of course, it will be without fittings, without a door card, without everything, it’s just the hardware itself, painted, new, it costs ten damns. Door, new, from the factory.
Therefore, as the first car to learn to drive, to collect all the parking posts, to collect all the cars nearby in parking lots, there, clinging, scratching, and so on, the VAZ is generally an ideal topic, that the body here costs, well, just a penny compared to everything to the rest.
Well, by the way, you can’t take away from VAZ, now in these latest generations, there’s a 126, 127 engine, so it’s good right from the bottom. He then dies higher up, but from the bottom you start with confidence like that. He's going, he's going.
This is a car, it has 105,000 miles, it was serviced by a dealer, and nothing happened to it. Not anything serious warranty repairs, nothing at all, nothing happened.
The suspension here is completely original, just like it came out of the factory, that’s how it is.
They didn’t do anything to the engine either, they just serviced it for the regulations and that’s it. The engine here is 127, there are another 126, but here in general this is what it is. Variable intake, such as electronic throttles blah blah blah. This is all a standard story.
And really, nothing happens here. This is how they usually looked, well, so that they would understand in general what Peter is, this is what the clamp looks like, it’s 3 years old, this is how the whole car usually looked, along with the body with all the bullshit, with all the history. Here, at least now, only the clamps look like this.
I already said, here is a 127 engine, here we have a variable geometry descent and an electronic throttle, but you all know that with this 127 engine, like, that’s it, change the timing belt more often and everything will be fine with it.
But what always makes me happy is that if AvtoVAZ made something electronic, then you see it exactly how it works mechanically. That is, we have an electronic shutter, we have a motor right here, there is just such a plastic guide, which is quite difficult to get, some kind of piece of metal.
Remember this kind of construction set in the nineties, I’ll stick a picture like this for you now, in the Soviet Union, yes, I played with this one as a child. Here are the details, damn it, taken from there.
These people, in any case, they learned from this construction set, because this is exactly what it looks like, two screws, this is such a bar, a nut, everything is on a spit, everything is fine, it then turns the flaps there and everything is fine.
Everything will work that way. And in reality, it was as if the kids learned from this construction set. By the way, she is cheerful. Well, 12 and 8. There are two of us in the cabin. I fumbled the start a little, but on the whole the indicator was ok.
When I constantly say after overclocking that there are two or three of us in the cabin, it really has an impact. Well, that is, one person is there for a second, exactly one and a half. But, on almost any car.
This is everything, you feel every detail, you feel how everything works, you feel everything, everything, so you open the doors, there’s just a click. You approach the car, yes, and your first impression of it in general is the way you open the door and get in.
And the pen, this is actually important bullshit. What are little things? And AvtoVAZ doesn’t know at all what some kind of organoleptic cleansing is, just like the concern in general. Maybe the French will have to explain something to them now over time, but that’s all.
By the way, look at the doors, they just rebuilt the limiter. It just closes itself. The rear one isn't very good anymore. There is not much sound insulation in the rear. Well, you really need it from the heart.
And that’s all. Don’t think that jams have any effect on this, no. It closes on the other side in the same way. Just normal.
This is the time when a chair can already be invented. It is incomprehensible, it is both cottony and hard.
I do not know how to explain it. Plus, it's brutally short. Due to the fact that there is such a recess here, you sit down like in a toilet. There is such a feeling. This thing, in theory, this is it, it should somehow support your legs there, all that.
But, in the end, you sit as if on a push, I answer. That is, your ass falls into this hole, but your legs, on the contrary, seem to be lifted up, and you’re like, well, ok. Well, there are heated seats, yes. Heating the rim of the toilet, this one, which is called the seat, okay.
My back is already starting to say hello a little, because the seats are really uncomfortable, and this not only applies to Kalina, this applies to essentially everything in general. The Priora has simply disgusting seats.
Plastic? Yes, he is impossible here. This is, well, okay, good, for this money I won’t bomb, I won’t bomb. What's cool about this?
Let's talk about the advantages
All. There needs to be at least something positive. Here we have a cool radio tape recorder, with an SD card, with all the crap, there even seems to be some kind of USB lying around in the glove compartment, there’s something somewhere. Yes, here, there, there is something. Okay.
By the way, here are the letters from the pension fund Russian Federation, what should be in every Kalina. The handles have different strengths, but no one cares about that either. Well, that is, this should not be in this money.
Well, the fact that there is a general climate here is cool. Handbrake, damn it, this handbrake guy, he’s older than me, he’s probably even older than you, he’s probably 40 years old. Yes, maybe Fiat invented it a long time ago.
Maybe. It's retro, it's retro, it's cool. And it seems to me that in fact, at AvtoVAZ they still profess their religion, there is some kind of screwing, I don’t know, because they need to drill everything into screws, screws, and so on.
They know what plugs, clips, or any other normal fastenings are, no, they don’t know. They don’t believe in it, this religion simply denies them. Everything must be screwed with a self-tapping screw and it must be bare.
Maybe you, I don’t know, maybe they have furniture, probably no one has a house at all in general, they don’t know what plugs are, where you assemble the furniture, yes, and there are special plugs, it’s all closed, no, they don’t have all this, it seems to me. Damn, there are four more of them. Why not 8? Really, here’s a screw, here’s a screw.
There is a very funny section in the instruction manual, this fuels and lubricants recommended by the manufacturer, and here the oil, like tra-la-la, that’s all.
But, there is also a very interesting topic called Plastic lubricants, the very first on the list here we have technical Vaseline VTV-1 and technical Vaseline OnMZ VTV-1, guys can’t go anywhere without Vaseline.
The point is that you turn the steering wheel and the motor has a slight delay. That is, you turn it first, it doesn’t turn on right away, that is, you turn, you start turning with one effort, then it turns on and you fall further, because you are already counting on one effort, yes, the motor turns on and The steering wheel becomes much lighter and you turn a little more than you need.
You know how, when you say something, I don’t know, some kind of door opens and you expect that you need to put in a lot more effort than in reality so that you open it just almost not into the wall, that’s about similar sensations.
At the same time, when you accelerate, it tries to imitate the hydraulic booster, which fills the steering wheel with sportiness, but it doesn’t suck. That is, it is exactly the same incomprehensible. It is never monotonous, but somehow constantly changing.
And yet, the logic of this change is generally impossible to understand. Now the car starts up just briskly, right here at 2000 rpm you’re straight, it’s straight, yes, good. For this class, she's straight.
Here are the low-end engines, these VAZ ones, yes, after 4000, it’s always frankly bad for them. But, in the range of 2 – 3000, well, you really feel it. You press the gas halfway, not even all the way, and you are pressed a little into the seat. Here we are going 60, pressed, 70, 80, 90, there you go. Maybe. Maybe.
The steering wheel and seats are what really spoil the car. To hell with the noise, to hell with the box howling, I don’t care, you can get used to it. The fact that the suspension and the engine are, well, so pleasant.
The suspension here is really very cool for our roads. But it seems almost impossible for me to get used to the seat and the steering wheel. That is, if you sit here every day, it really could turn out to be some problems for you in the future.
